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02/21/2020 03:30 PM Senate RESOURCES

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+= SB 171 INDUSTRIAL HEMP PROGRAM; MANUFACTURING TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSSB 171(RES) Out of Committee
-- Public Testimony --
+= SB 161 GEOTHERMAL RESOURCES TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
-- Public Testimony --
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-- Testimony <Invitation Only> --
**Streamed live on AKL.tv**
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                  SB 161-GEOTHERMAL RESOURCES                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:39:18 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR MICCICHE  announced that the  next order of  business would                                                               
be  SENATE  BILL   NO.  161,  "An  Act   relating  to  geothermal                                                               
resources; relating to the  definition of 'geothermal resources';                                                               
and providing for an effective date."                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
He noted that the committee first  heard the bill on February 10.                                                               
The Alaska  Department of Natural  Resources (DNR)  has responded                                                               
to  committee  questions  and  presented a  map  with  the  known                                                               
statewide geothermal resources and  their proximity to population                                                               
centers.  The   committee  also   requested  a   presentation  on                                                               
geothermal resources in Alaska.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:40:07 PM                                                                                                                    
SARA LONGAN,  Deputy Commissioner,  Alaska Department  of Natural                                                               
Resources, Anchorage, Alaska, thanked  the committee for inviting                                                               
the department to again discuss SB 161 on geothermal resources.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:40:50 PM                                                                                                                    
At ease.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:44:08 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR MICCICHE called the committee back to order.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS.  LONGAN discussed  the following  from slide  2 from  the DNR                                                               
presentation  on geothermal  resources,  Overview,  and slide  3,                                                               
AGILE Act:                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
        • Slide 2: Overview                                                                                                     
             o AGILE Act                                                                                                        
             o Fundamentals of geothermal systems                                                                               
             o Purpose of this bill                                                                                             
             o DNR geothermal leasing history                                                                                   
             o Sectional summary                                                                                                
             o Analysis of selected sections & responses to                                                                     
               questions                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
        • Slide 3: AGILE Act                                                                                                    
             o Senator     Murkowski's    Advanced     Geothermal                                                               
               Innovation Leadership Act of 2019 (AGILE Act)                                                                    
             o Authorizes grants and incentives                                                                                 
             o Establish a repository for geothermal drill data                                                                 
             o Supports   research   into   Enhanced   Geothermal                                                               
               Systems                                                                                                          
             o Supports heat pump improvements                                                                                  
             o Defines geothermal energy as a renewable energy                                                                  
               source                                                                                                           
             o Encourages co-production of geothermal with                                                                      
               hydrocarbons and critical minerals                                                                               
             o Improves federal permit coordination                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
STEVEN   MASTERMAN,   Director,   Division  of   Geological   and                                                               
Geophysical  Surveys,  Alaska  Department of  Natural  Resources,                                                               
Fairbanks,  Alaska,  reviewed  the  parameters  of  a  geothermal                                                               
system on slide 4, Fundamental  Ingredients of Useable Geothermal                                                               
Energy:                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
   • Elevated geothermal gradient                                                                                               
   • Porosity and permeability for the migration of fluids                                                                      
   • Surface access                                                                                                             
   • Sufficiently large thermal system                                                                                          
   • Customers for energy                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:46:39 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  MASTERMAN  discussed  slide  5,  Heat  Flow  in  Alaska.  He                                                               
referenced a map and said  the illustration provides a broad view                                                               
of  the amount  of energy  coming to  the earth's  surface across                                                               
Alaska. He detailed  that the red areas on the  map indicate more                                                               
energy and green  areas have less energy. For  example, the North                                                               
Slope  has an  area of  low heat  coming to  the earth's  surface                                                               
where  sediments are  thick and  insulate the  surface from  heat                                                               
beneath.  Along  the Aleutians  and  the  Alaska Peninsula  where                                                               
there is a lot of volcanic activity, there's higher heat flow.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MASTERMAN   displayed  slide   6,  North   Slope  Geothermal                                                               
Gradient. He  referenced a  map and  said the  illustration shows                                                               
geothermal gradients  with the degree  centigrade per  100 meters                                                               
of  depth. He  noted  that  the temperature  data  came from  the                                                               
bottom of bore holes drilled into  North Slope oil and gas fields                                                               
by  producers.  The  temperature  data allowed  the  division  to                                                               
construct  maps that  show the  relative amount  of heat  that is                                                               
coming out  of the earth  and the  rate at which  the temperature                                                               
increases when going into the earth.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. MASTERMAN  detailed that the  illustration shows most  of the                                                               
gradients are  3 to  4 degrees centigrade  per 100  meters. Going                                                               
down 1,000  meters shows  the temperature increases  by 30  to 50                                                               
degrees  centigrade.  He added  that  the  map provides  a  rough                                                               
estimate of  what sufficient temperature data  could allow across                                                               
the state.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
He said Chair Micciche asked  in the previous hearing where there                                                               
may be undiscovered thermal energy  sources. He conceded that the                                                               
division  does not  have the  level of  information as  the North                                                               
Slope bore hole temperatures to  provide detailed contours across                                                               
the rest of the state.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:48:58 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  MASTERMAN  TURNED  TO  slide  7,  Geothermal  Gradients.  He                                                               
explained that the graph shows  examples of geothermal gradients.                                                               
The colored  band in the  graph is a typical  geothermal gradient                                                               
for  Alaska that  shows subterranean  temperature increases.  For                                                               
example, the  North Slope  reaches a  temperature of  100 degrees                                                               
centigrade at 10,000 feet or 3 kilometers depth.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
He pointed out that the graph  shows two points of reference, one                                                               
of the Chena Hot Springs  geothermal system where the temperature                                                               
is  about 60  degrees  centigrade  on the  surface  and about  80                                                               
degrees  centigrade where  the hot  water is  entering the  drill                                                               
holes  for power  production. The  second point  is the  Makushin                                                               
system where the temperature is almost 200 degrees centigrade.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MASTERMAN explained  that the  temperature  of a  geothermal                                                               
system is  important for the  amount of energy  production. Chena                                                               
Hot Springs  is a  cooler system with  production of  hundreds of                                                               
kilowatts   of  energy.   The  Makushin   system  has   a  higher                                                               
temperature system  at an energy  magnitude of tens  of megawatts                                                               
of electrical production.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. MASTERMAN  discussed the following  from slide  8, Geothermal                                                               
Resource Quality:                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
   • Generation capacity per unit cost depends on several                                                                       
     geologic and economic factors:                                                                                             
        o Temperature (hotter is better)                                                                                        
        o Flow rate (higher flow rates are better)                                                                              
        o Reservoir Framework (uniform porosity better than                                                                     
          fractures)                                                                                                            
        o Recharge   (partially    natural   better    than   all                                                               
          artificial)                                                                                                           
       o Depth (shallower is less expensive, thus better)                                                                       
        o Location,    location    (relative    to    population,                                                               
         transmission system, development costs, etc.)                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:52:32 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. MASTERMAN displayed slide 9,  Geothermal Systems. He said the                                                               
map on the slide shows the  distribution of all known hot springs                                                               
across  the state  as  well  as the  distribution  of the  active                                                               
volcanoes in the state.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
He  pointed  out there  is  a  belt  of  hot springs  across  the                                                               
interior of the state that  are generally associated with cooling                                                               
granite bodies. He detailed that  hot water in the granite bodies                                                               
is in  fractures. Accessing hot  water requires  intersecting the                                                               
fractures. The granite  bodies are older systems  that are cooler                                                               
and don't  have as high  temperature water or  productive volumes                                                               
as the volcano  related system that are present  along the Alaska                                                               
Peninsula and in the Aleutians.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
He  pointed out  that  there are  more  high temperature  systems                                                               
along  the Aleutians  than in  the granite  related systems.  The                                                               
volcano related systems have magma  close to the surface which is                                                               
a hotter  material that can  generate more and hotter  volumes of                                                               
hot water.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. MASTERMAN  displayed slide 10, Alaska's  Geothermal Resources                                                               
Fairbanks Region:                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
   • Chena                                                                                                                      
        o 80 degrees Celsius at 260 meters                                                                                      
        o Reservoir approximately 130 to 145 degrees Celsius                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
He said slide  10 shows where the hot springs  are in relation to                                                               
Fairbanks. Chena Hot  Springs is close and there are  a couple of                                                               
others that  are fairly close  to population centers.  The Circle                                                               
Hot Springs  northeast of  Fairbanks is  close to  Central, Manly                                                               
Hot  Springs is  close to  Manly.  Those systems  are similar  in                                                               
temperature  to  Chena Hot  Springs  with  slightly higher  water                                                               
flows that may  be able to produce slightly  larger quantities of                                                               
electricity.   The   slide   also   shows   projected   reservoir                                                               
temperature   that  is   a  theoretical   value   based  on   the                                                               
geochemistry  of the  water that  is coming  to the  surface. For                                                               
example,  the  evidence  for  Chena  Hot  Springs  suggests  that                                                               
drilling  deep enough  will intersect  waters that  are somewhere                                                               
between  130  and 145  degrees  Celsius,  temperatures that  will                                                               
allow for more power generation.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MASTERMAN detailed  that the  Chena Hot  Springs has  a 400-                                                               
kilowatt  capacity. In  a 2007  report, they  indicated that  the                                                               
cost  of producing  power went  from $0.30  per kilowatt  hour to                                                               
$0.05  per  kilowatt hour  with  production  from the  geothermal                                                               
system.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:55:43 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. MASTERMAN  discussed slide 11, Alaska's  Geothermal Resources                                                               
Seward Peninsula.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
   • Pilgrim                                                                                                                    
        o 92 degrees Celsius at 120 meters                                                                                      
        o Reservoir approximately 150 degrees Celsius                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
He said Pilgrim Hot Spring is  the most interesting hot spring on                                                               
the Seward  Peninsula. It has  a theoretical power capacity  of 4                                                               
megawatts of electrical power or  about 50 megawatts if using the                                                               
energy  as heat.  He noted  that geology  will play  an essential                                                               
role in developing the Pilgrim  system because the hot fluids are                                                               
coming out of the bedrock and  getting into the sands and gravel,                                                               
then migrating laterally  and coming up to the  surface. He noted                                                               
that drilling  through the  sand and gravel  right under  the hot                                                               
springs accesses  cooler rock underneath. The  system's hot water                                                               
source is  not known, but  that's where geology comes  into play.                                                               
The  system  could  provide  energy to  Nome  or  Graphite  One's                                                               
potential mine towards Teller.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. MASTERMAN  displayed slide 12, Alaska's  Geothermal Resources                                                               
Alaska Peninsula:                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
   • Makushin 190 degrees Celsius at 590 meters.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
He explained  that the Makushin system  is on the same  island as                                                               
Dutch Harbor  and Unalaska.  The system  could produce  power for                                                               
the  communities' fish  processing facilities.  There is  a group                                                               
investigating  system  development  with  scenarios  calling  for                                                               
modular  generation  in  6  megawatt increments  with  18  or  24                                                               
megawatt  plants that  could produce  power as  low as  $0.14 per                                                               
kilowatt hour, a  cost that is competitive  with the communities'                                                               
current electrical production from diesel fuel.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. MASTERMAN  noted that  there are other  systems in  the area,                                                               
including one in Akutan that  could also generate power for their                                                               
fish processing  facilities. Further  to the northeast  there are                                                               
systems at False Pass, Cold Bay, and King Cove.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:58:29 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. MASTERMAN  turned to slide 13,  Alaska's Geothermal Resources                                                               
Southeast Region:                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
   • Estimated reservoirs:                                                                                                      
        o Goddard - 140 degrees Celsius                                                                                         
        o Baranof - 95 degrees Celsius                                                                                          
        o Bailey Bay - 150 degrees Celsius                                                                                      
        o Tenakee - 65-100 degrees Celsius                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
He said  there are a  number of  hot springs in  Southeast Alaska                                                               
that are of  potential interest. Two that are  most well situated                                                               
are the  ones investigated  for producing  power near  Sitka, the                                                               
Goddard and Baranof hot springs.  The granite-related systems are                                                               
fracture based  and nonvolcanic. The systems  along the Aleutians                                                               
have  an added  advantage of  being  in volcanic  rocks that  are                                                               
sometimes  quite a  lot more  porous and  permeable and  can make                                                               
better reservoirs  and produce higher  volumes of water  for more                                                               
power.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. MASTERMAN reviewed slide 14, Key Points:                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
   • Geothermal heat, where technically and economically                                                                        
    accessible, is an excellent form of sustainable energy.                                                                     
   • Hydrothermal systems are the most common form of energy                                                                    
     extraction from geothermal heat.                                                                                           
   • Complex geologic parameters necessary for a viable                                                                         
     geothermal resource, all present at one location, is rare.                                                                 
   • Alaska contains several potential geothermal resources.                                                                    
   • New technologies that will help expand geothermal                                                                          
     development into less favorable geology are on the horizon.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
5:01:42 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR MICCICHE  asked the presenters  to finish  the presentation                                                               
at the next committee meeting, due to time constraints.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS.   LONGAN  replied   the  department   will  accommodate   the                                                               
committee's schedule.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
[SB 161 was held in committee.]                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
SB 161 DNR Response to Committee Questions 2.20.2020.pdf SRES 2/21/2020 3:30:00 PM
SB 161
SB 161 2020_GeothermalMap_optimized.pdf SRES 2/21/2020 3:30:00 PM
SB 161
SB 161 Presentation to SRES Geothermal 02.21.2020.pdf SRES 2/21/2020 3:30:00 PM
SB 161
SB 150 ver A.pdf SRES 2/21/2020 3:30:00 PM
SB 150
SB 150 Sponsor Statement ver. A revised 02.21.2020.pdf SRES 2/21/2020 3:30:00 PM
SB 150
SB 150 Support Document - Hunting License Surcharge Revenue CY17-CY19 02.10.2020.pdf SFIN 3/12/2020 9:00:00 AM
SRES 2/21/2020 3:30:00 PM
SB 150
SB 150 Support Document - IM Species Determinations 02.10.2020.pdf SFIN 3/12/2020 9:00:00 AM
SRES 2/21/2020 3:30:00 PM
SB 150
SB 150 Support Document - IM Activities and Spending FY19 02.10.2020.pdf SRES 2/21/2020 3:30:00 PM
SB 150
SB 150 ADF&G IM Stories of Success 01.2014.pdf SFIN 3/12/2020 9:00:00 AM
SRES 2/21/2020 3:30:00 PM
SB 150
SB 150 Written Testimony- Alaska Professional Hunters Assn Inc 02.05.2020.pdf SFIN 3/12/2020 9:00:00 AM
SRES 2/21/2020 3:30:00 PM
SB 150
SB 171 Draft CS ver. M.pdf SRES 2/21/2020 3:30:00 PM
SB 171
SB 171 Explanation of Changes ver. A to M 02.20.2020.pdf SRES 2/21/2020 3:30:00 PM
SB 171
SB 150 Fiscal Note-DFG-DWC-02.14.2020.pdf SRES 2/21/2020 3:30:00 PM
SB 150